Family plan for funeral rather than graduation

TalRussell 10 years, 5 months ago

Machetes were also the distinctive killing (chop you up) weapon of the Haitian Tonton Macoute.[

ThisIsOurs 10 years, 5 months ago

We're losing too many young men. PLP give these young men a GOOD education, import some A-class teachers (background checked) pre-k through grade 9, give these boys a vision of something greater. Stop feeding them free Kentucky and a what fall ticket

ThisIsOurs 10 years, 5 months ago

Check Shame first thing tomorrow, he should know all the drop locations:)

BahamianAway 10 years, 5 months ago

Mrs. Major your grandson may have been a nice quiet boy but his parents are not. It's unfourtunate this young man was killed before his life even began, however this is a cautionary tale for parents. More than likely his death was related to who his parents were...a sad situation that he possibly reaped what his parents sowed.

A parent should never have to bury a child, no matter the circumstances. Very sad and unfourtunate.

Emac 10 years, 5 months ago

“MORE THAN LIKELY his death was related to who his parents were”. This is a very callous and reckless statement given the grief this family is going through right now. Even further, I don’t think it is fair to make these kinds of assumptions based on the lifestyles of the parent. We do not know what the situation is so why prejudge?

Emac 10 years, 5 months ago

Yeah I know but in situations like these it is best to follow the old adage, “If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all”

John 10 years, 5 months ago

I just thought you posted that everyone has a right to their opinion..idiot

John 10 years, 5 months ago

Since you see things that we don't then explain them to us. (Vengence is mines says the Lord).

Cobalt 10 years, 5 months ago

Prejudge??? Seriously??? Listen.... "The sins of the father, falls on the children." Thus says The Lord. He gave us the blueprint for life and also told us what the repercussions are for disobedience. Don't get swayed by your emotions.

BahamianAway 10 years, 5 months ago

Not sure where in my statement you read callousness or recklessness for that matter. I said more than likely which the last time I checked is not an emphatic statement of fact, furthermore do not presume to think you have any idea as to what information I may or may not be privy to. As far as you are concerned I could "more than likely" be speaking from a standpoint of truth. Can you say that I don't know the family and the situation at hand...of course you can't. Also if you are going to quote me please quote the entire statement so as to get the full benefit of what I said. Don't pick what portion you want to take and use out of context.

And while you are at it, take you own advice and don't prejudge me...because you know nothing.

Honestman 10 years, 5 months ago

A young man has been killed. This is yet another senseless murder on the streets of New Providence. The suggestion that it might have been linked to his parents is pure speculation and inappropriate. Another young man has been murdered and it could be anyone's son. That needs to be the focus.

Cobalt 10 years, 5 months ago

I agree. But at the same time we can't ignore the obvious.

John 10 years, 5 months ago

BahamianAway you should speak more cautiously. This boy as only 17 so all he probably only knew of his father's notoriety is what he heard. The boy's father has been in jail most of the boy's life. We have some prominent (White) Bahamian families whose fathers and forefathers took part in rum running back in the day, when rum was illegal in parts of the United States, and they are now some of the richest Bahamians. And also some of the most well respected too. Would you say the same thing if one of their siblings were murdered in cold blood? Rum Running, Drug Dealing, Crooked politicians, Web Shop gambling and innocent children. Then when you do research you find drugs was made illegal to protect the rum industry. Research the real reason why they don't want Bahamians in the casino industry. The fact is that a murder was committed, regardless of what the motive was or who the victim is. It was NUMBER 60. What will you say about Victim #61? May his soul rest in peace.

John 10 years, 5 months ago

I know the last part of your name says it all. When you start to justify wrongdoing and crime then no one will be safe. He that is without sin cast the first stone. Now what part of my post you say is twisted?

Cobalt 10 years, 5 months ago

He's not justifying wrong doing or casting stones. All he's saying is that more than likely the victim may have been influenced by his fathers reputation. I don't always agree with generalcrazy.... but he's got a point on this particular matter.

Shirley 10 years, 5 months ago

RIP, Rico. Condolences to the family.

Emac 10 years, 5 months ago

@Cobalt-"Listen.... "The sins of the father, falls on the children." Thus says The Lord." Don't come with this holier than thou bullshit. I could respect people's opinions, but when you start to quote biblical verses to support your argument then the red flags go up immediately. The biggest culprits are always the ones who go around talkin bout the Lord says this and the Lord says that. Save your preaching for the morons who attend your church. By the way, anyone can quote biblical scriptures. It means nothing. John 8:7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

Matthew 7:1- "Do not judge, or you too will be judged”

Romans 2:1- You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Ephesian 4:29-Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Mathew 7:5- You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

James 1:26-If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

See, I can go on and on and on…

Cobalt 10 years, 5 months ago

For your information, I'm not a pastor, I'm a pharmacist. Furthermore, quoting scripture doesn't indicate that one is holy. You seem to have a problem with me quoting scripture, yet you quoted six. No one's passing judgment, no one's being corrupt, no one's being hypocritical, and religion only refers to one's religious domination. All I was saying is that when one participates in the criminal trade, those actions harm not only him, but his household aswell. Furthermore, anyone can quote scripture to suit their purpose. The bible commands slaves to obey their masters. But does this mean that slavery is acceptable??? Certainly not. Scripture must be taken in the context that it was intended for. And unfortunately, all of your quotes are out of context in this matter. Anyway, this isn't a religious debate. All I'm trying to say is that if I walk out of my house and engage in criminal activity, the results of my actions will harm my family. That's just universal law.

Oh... and by the way, no one cares whether you respect their opinions or not. No one writes a blog and goes "omgosh, I hope that Emac respects my opinion."

Emac 10 years, 5 months ago

Good to know bible thumper. But you are obviously not the brightest bulb in the chandelier are you? I merely quoted biblical verses to prove to you that anyone can do that. I never said you were a pastor, I simply pointed out that you should save ya preaching for those who attend ya church;meaning your fellow members. When I used the word “preach”, I used it to describe someone who is quick to point out the faults of others without examining himself. "No one writes a blog and goes "omgosh, I hope that Emac respects my opinion." The funny thing is if that's not what is important to you, why are you even responding???

Cobalt 10 years, 5 months ago

To correct you, idiot. One of the reasons that the Bahamas is in such bad shape is because fools like you often go unchecked. Like the deceased in this story. His antics probably went unchecked because of who his father is. Your sensitivity in this issue leads one to believe that you have some underlying interest with this family. Furthermore, how do you know that I don't examine myself? Do you know me? Facts are facts. The sins of the father always falls on his children. Whether you like it or not.

Cobalt 10 years, 5 months ago

I'm beginning to sound rude and that's not my intentions, so I apologize. All I'm saying is that if both parents of a particular adolescent child are convicted drug dealers, then that child's life expectancy is grossly diminished (whether he's a good child or not). Yes, it is sad that a young man lost his life. But we can't be desensitized to the importance of proper living. Actions have consequences. That's all I'm trying to say.

Emac 10 years, 5 months ago

By the way, cobolt the bible thumper. Whenever I present my point of view, emotion is hardly ever in the mix. I would think that the person who goes around quoting unnecessary biblical verses is the emotional one. So what??? I guess you were led by the holy spirit ay? Talk bout being emotional. Sigh...

John 10 years, 5 months ago

If the boy was influenced by his father's reputation then are you saying the grandmother is telling lies: "“I am trying to hold on,” she said yesterday. “The entire family is here. He was a quiet boy and a good student. When he went to school over here, in Long Island, he was student of the year and he has always been on the honor roll.” To tell someone to speak more cautiously is NOT a threat. What I was saying is that he should not jump to conclusions in the absence of facts. The police at the time of this publication did not reveal any motive for the killing. Furthermore if we start to justify every murder in this country ("O he was a clown who runs the red light", or "he was wearing an ankle bracelet",or "maybe he was wearing the wrong color socks") then we may as well pull all the police off the streets and let the killings begin. And if we are to use examples from the Bible, when David, who was a King and a priest and a prophet had another man killed because he was sleeping with his wife (Betsheda) and wanted to marry her, he asked God for forgiveness and restore his innocence so that he could teach wrongdoers not to go down the wrong path and so that he may convert sinners.

.10 Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. 11 Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. 12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me. 13 Then I will teach transgressors your ways, and sinners will turn back to you. 14 Save me from bloodguilt, O God, the God who saves me, and my tongue will sing of your righteousness.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS YOUNG MAN WAS NOT SHYING AWAY FROM HIS FATHER'S NOTORIETY AND TRYING TO BE A GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CITIZEN?

John 10 years, 5 months ago

It is dangerous to take scripture out of its context:

. Does God "Visit the Sins of the Fathers on the Children"?

Getting Serious about Education for Exultation

February 1, 2000 by John Piper Topic: Tough Texts Series: Taste & See Articles

Sometimes critics will say that the early parts of the Bible (Exodus 20:5-6; 34:6-7; Numbers 14:18) portray God as "visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children," while later parts of the Bible (Jeremiah 31:29; Ezekiel 18:2; Job 21:19) reject this and teach that "sons [shall not] be put to death for their fathers." But this evolutionary way of thinking about the development of Bible doctrine does not fit the texts. There are three problems with this view.

In the same Biblical books you get both angles. For example, Deuteronomy 5:9-10 says, "I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands [of generations, see 7:9], to those who love Me and keep My commandments." But in Deuteronomy 24:16 it says, "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin." Both perspectives are in the same book. (Compare also Jeremiah 32:17-18 with Jeremiah 31:29.)
Not only that, there are texts that describe God's punishment as owing to both the sins of the fathers and the sins of the children. For example, in Isaiah 65:6b-7 God says, "I will even repay into their bosom, both their own iniquities and the iniquities of their fathers together." (See also Leviticus 26:39 and Jeremiah 16:10-12.)
Even in the early texts that describe the visitation of the fathers' sins on the children, the children are described as those who are opposed to God and therefore deserving of punishment, and those who continue the heritage of blessing as covenant keepers. For example, Exodus 20:5-6 says "I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands [of generations], to those who love Me and keep My commandments" (see also Deuteronomy 5:9-10; 7:9). And Psalm 103:17-18 says, "But the lovingkindness of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting on those who fear Him, and His righteousness to children's children, to those who keep His covenant and remember His precepts to do them." (continued)

John 10 years, 5 months ago

conclusion: What conclusions shall we draw from these observations?

The visitation of the fathers' sins on the children is not a simple punishment of innocent children for what the fathers did. The children themselves are always thought of as sinful and rebellious as the fathers' sin is worked out in their lives. See point three above.
There are two kinds of effects of fathers' sins in the lives of children: one is rebellion against God; the other is the calamities of judgment that God brings on the children. We are not told how this rebellious condition is passed to or "visited on" the children. God has the right to punish fathers in the calamities that come upon their children, as Jeremiah 16:10-11 says ("For what reason has the LORD declared all this great calamity against us?"... "It is because your forefathers have forsaken Me"), but he chooses to do this in a way that justly correlates with the children's own guilt.
None of this should make anyone feel trapped and without hope because of his parents' sins. For Ezekiel 33:14-15 says, "When I say to the wicked, 'You will surely die,' and he turns from his sin and practices justice and righteousness . . . he shall surely live; he shall not die." The blood of Jesus conquers all sin and judgment for those who believe.
And no one who has a child who goes bad and forsakes the way of righteousness, should feel that it is all his fault. For Ezekiel 18:20 says, "The father [will not] bear the punishment for the son's iniquity."
All this should make us intensely committed to EDUCATION FOR EXULTATION - at home and at church. Great and lasting things are at stake for future generations not only because of what we teach, but also because of what we are.

Trembling with joy in the forgiveness of Jesus,

Pastor John

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BahamianAway 10 years, 5 months ago

I never said that he was killed because of who his parents were, I said "more than likely". That in no way said he was a bad boy or that he was following in his parents footsteps. But it seems many of you are like so many Bahamians with their head buried in the sand thinking that half of the murders being committed in the Bahamas aren't related to drugs and other criminal activities. When will Bahamians wake the f&^* up and see whats going on, people are being killed because of drugs, and in retaliation to drug related crime.

Was this young man killed because of his parents, I can't say because I don't know. But I can say that it would not be a farfetched idea if he were, and I can bet money that the officers investigating his murder will start there. If it's proven that he was the victim of a random criminal act or that he was in fact killed as retaliation either way a young man is dead before he even had a chance to make his own way and that is a tragedy.

As for those who don't agree with MY OPINION....well you probably already know how this rest of this sentence would go.

sheeprunner12 10 years, 5 months ago

I AGREE WITH JOHN.............. black Bahamians are always reminded that their criminality will affect their offspring.................. but who ever told that to white Bahamians who got rich off illegal rum-running, labour exploitation, deals with foreigners and land grabs?????????

THIS IS A DOUBLE STANDARD BEYOND MEASURE.....................

John 10 years, 5 months ago

So what will the Bahamas be like in 10-20 years if the killings continue? 1.We have had 2260 sure murders in the past 40 years. That is an average of 56 murders a year since 1980. 2. The murder rate in the 1990's double that of the 1980's (murders in the 1980's average in the mid 20's and murders in the 1990's were in the mid 50's per year). 3. The murder rate in the 2000's more than double what it was in the 1990's and more than triple the number of people that were being killed in the 1980's (it is now over 100 per year and usually around 120) 4. While the average murder rate is 56 per year over 40 years, the number of murders for 2014 is already at SIXTY with only five months of the year having passed. 5. If the murders continue at the current rate of increase, the Bahamas will be experiencing more than 200 murders per year in less than 10 years!

sheeprunner12 10 years, 5 months ago

Thats a war zone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is what Nassau is now........ SAD. It calls for curfew and martial law............... no excuses for this nonsense

BahamianAway 10 years, 5 months ago

OOOOOOO sheeprunner be careful don't say that on here. You know there are those lurking who might think you mean to take away the peoples civil liberties. LOL!!!!

Honestman 10 years, 5 months ago

I think most Bahamians are adopting a self imposed curfew. You would have to be a real risk taker to walk anywhere over the hill at night. Come to think of it, you would be taking a chance walking anywhere in New Providence at night. Heck, you ain't even safe in your car. This is what happens when a people follow the wrong God.

sheeprunner12 10 years, 5 months ago

This is the first sign of failed government ............... lack of good public governance, safety and civil order.................. Read Article 52 (1) of the Constitution.

ALL RESPONSIBLE BAHAMIANS SHOULD SIGN A CLASS ACTION SUIT AND SUE THIS GOVERNMENT FOR INCOMPETENCE ........... based on our Constitution

THEN SIT BACK AND SEE WHAT OUR LEARNED JUDGES WOULD DO................ SMH

Emac 10 years, 5 months ago

@Cobalt- Good to know bible thumper. But you are obviously not the brightest bulb in the chandelier are you? I merely quoted biblical verses to prove to you that anyone can do that. I never said you were a pastor, I simply pointed out that you should save ya preaching for those who attend ya church;meaning your fellow members. When I used the word “preach”, I used it to describe someone who is quick to point out the faults of others without examining himself. "No one writes a blog and goes "omgosh, I hope that Emac respects my opinion." The funny thing is if that's not what is important to you, why are you even responding???

Cobalt 10 years, 5 months ago

To correct you, idiot. One of the reasons that the Bahamas is in such bad shape is because fools like you often go unchecked. Like the deceased in this story. His antics probably went unchecked because of who his father is. Your sensitivity in this issue leads one to believe that you have some underlying interest with this family. Furthermore, how do you know that I don't examine myself? Do you know me? Facts are facts. The sins of the father always falls on his children. Whether you like it or not.

BahamianAway 10 years, 5 months ago

Emac is clearly a hypocrite...they speak about judging people and making assumptions yet they are doing exactly what they want caution others about.

Cobalt 10 years, 5 months ago

I'm beginning to sound rude and that's not my intentions, so I apologize. All I'm saying is that if both parents of a particular adolescent child are convicted drug dealers, then that child's life expectancy is grossly diminished (whether he's a good child or not). Yes, it is sad that a young man lost his life. But we can't be desensitized to the importance of proper living. Actions have consequences. That's all I'm trying to say.

Emac 10 years, 5 months ago

Cobalt, BahamianAway, I don't have a problem being called a hypocrite or an idiot. You are entitled to infer whatever you like based on my dialogues. The fact is I know the true me. Cobalt, I don't know this family from a can of paint. I am looking at this thing objectively. I am guessing you are upset because I called you a “bible thumper”, lol.. sorry no mean to laugh. For this I apologize. Like you, I don’t mean to come across rude either. But the bigger picture is that you, BahamianAway and I are all on the same page (no pun intended) mainly because we care enough to even bother talking about these issues in the Bahamas and this is what this forum is all about. Going forward, I think we need to express our opinions or feelings or whatever without lambasting each other whenever there is disagreement.

Cobalt 10 years, 5 months ago

Absolutely.

Emac 10 years, 5 months ago

@BahamianAway- I have read your response to my comments on the topic 'Bahamas Culture can be Marketed Abroad." You can read my rebuttal here:

http://www.tribune242.com/news/2014/jun…

BahamianAway 10 years, 5 months ago

I don't usually agree with your comment but to me that is the most sensible thing to do. Start with what you know and if that doesn't turn up any valuable leads then look at expanding to other options. Any good police investigating any case knows that you start with the obvious...his parents are known and convicted drug criminals. That gives them a place to start...

Does that mean it was why he was murdered....who knows, but it is up to the police to rule out all possibilities. Why is that such a far-fetched idea for the common person.

Family plan for funeral rather than graduation

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