jerimiah 11 years, 6 months ago on THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
I am a female that attended BFM for over 15 years. I know that followers there are like followers of any cult-like leader, they can not see any wrong or they rationalize them away. Many woman have lost their jobs there or were disciplined after getting pregnant for married men, Whiles men are 'counseled' & patted on the back. I got attacked for reporting the married security officers who were hitting on the school girls that worked with me there. Myles preached a message to encourage the men, saying that if a married man is looking outside the home for sex then it is the fault of the wife who is not providing what he needs. People were told to stop speaking to me after that & they spread the rumor that I was a lesbian. They constantly told women to stay with abusive husbands until one was killed. The media attention landed on them as this couple was in charge of marriage counseling class. A weird move they make in such circumstances to say that a person especially male (who has money) who has fallen in some open scandal has a 'ministry' through experience in that area to others. The media response was an outright lie when they said they always told women to leave if they are being abused. I know personally a woman who was a friend who was not only being abused but so was her daughter, sexually, they gave the man a job & told her to stay with him.
Nancy 10 years, 9 months ago on THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
Thank you Jerimiah for sharing your 15 year experience with this "ministry." Your voice may be in the minority on this blog, but it is important for people to share their experiences in order that others can become aware of what is happening "behind the scenes." Please tell others not to keep silent if they have a story to share. However, please do not hold it against those who will not share. They are only trying to protect themselves and we cannot blame them for this.
Nancy 10 years, 9 months ago on THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
To Roofbreaker; maybe your name says it all? Don't know about you, but I like a roof over my head and Mr. Munroe has "bought" into the "I" doctrine message that is leading many astray. There is nothing wrong with one striving to reach his/her potential, but what does this have to do with Jesus Christ and his saving grace. BFM sounds like another ministry that is making merchandise out of men's souls. And, if they are, maybe they don't realize it. Maybe they are deceived? And if they are, you are not helping them one iota by lending them "praise."
karrie 10 years, 3 months ago on THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
That's just 200 years ago. Women equal men, history has told its word on that. Why do we have to go through this all over again? What's the purpose. This kind of philosophy will only create more problems between modern couples. It would be interesting to see what does Shery Philips, an expert in http://www.counsellorsheriphillips.com">relationship counselling in Vancouver think about this. It should give us few revelatory ideas on the matter.
historian186 10 years ago on THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
Pastor Munroe was speaking about spiritual cultivation first and foremost. Secular people rarely if ever understand that Christ followers are spiritually reborn when they repent and accept Christ as their Lord and Saviour. He was speaking to those who walk in the ways of the Holy Spirit, (the spiritually reborn) and refuse to heed the dictates of their sinful flesh - Galatians 5:16. A man who does so would never unleash abusive behaviour on anyone, and definitely not his wife, because they become one flesh when married, and thus abuses himself when he abuses his wife. In the Christian home, spiritual harmony precedes physical harmony. It is only in Christ and the Holy Spirit that this will ensue, and it against this background, context and understanding that Dr Munroe spoke.
Oluwyse 6 years ago on THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
From your picture here, you.re way too young to understand Spiritual things and especially when you are not the teachable type but rather always wanting to have your own ways even when it has to do with scriptures-backed Word of God. What else can one tell you or how may one help you? You've already decided what you want and it could be catastrophic attempting to get you to see that the Bishop was appealing to men who kept messing around in the name of "they are yet to find the right woman" and not that he was calling women a toy in the hands of men who must be pummeled into what the man wants. here I see your kind of character and approach to issues. You're even the type that may not last in the hand of a reasonable man and perhaps that is happening to you right now because you are always eager to "say your piece of mind" when it is rather best to keep quiet and observe. The attached picture might help you further if you will look at it with a better open mind than that you claimed you used in watching the video of the message 4 good times yet missed the real thing
dfitzerl 11 years, 8 months ago on THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
Is it possible that you view the presentation with a particular bias?
The context of the presentation is not about rulership but relationship and responsibilities. Most of the best CEOs in the world never give an order, yet they are the head of their company. It is their job to be responsible for and encourage/challenge the organization they lead to develop and succeed. Not force it to. But they are the ones who have to answer to their Boards/Shareholders. Submit is a cuss word to todays woman even though in biblical terms it simply means to respect. It has nothing to do with "value" but everything to do with "roles". You go on your job and submit to your supervisor who has been given responsibility for you but you do not think that it is proper to submit to your husband who is given responsibility for you and your family IF (big word) he is in submission to God himself. Neither of these is suppose to be unconditional submission. They are both conditional on the appointed person acting in accordance with the laws and principles of the organization they are apart of. If you don't understand the principles God expects the husband to operate under I can understand why you may reject the idea of him (or anyone else) being your leader. I don't hear anyone complaining about the role called "mother" that God appointed to women. We all accept it as appropriate. No man feels less equal because he is not apointed to the role of mother by God.
Additionally, there is nothing in God's word "that creates a foundation and justification for the abuse of women throughout the world". God is all about unconditional love (agape). He challenges us to love (agape) our neighbours (especially our wives, even to die for them). His word says that if we do that we will have fulfilled all His laws for love (agape) can not create harm.
I respectively suggest that the individual statements you highlight should be read in the context of the entire message and not as messages of the own and not from the perspective that they make women less equal.
Roofbreaker 11 years, 5 months ago on THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
I am sorry this is your experience at such a wonderful Ministry. But in my opinion this is happening at every church, work environment, school etc the list goes on. God uses imperfect people to accomplish his purpose. The message is not bad because Jesus nor Myles for that fact does not babysit grown men and women all day every day when they themselves make the choice to do wrong. You cannot place a X on a whole ideal because you see men and women handle the information without seriousness. Many people like me take that information and use it to their best ability. It is like saying one School is better then another. When really it is about WHAT YOU get out of it. You cannot blame people around you at school for your Failing grades! Right? Nope. It is your personal responsibility no matter what is going on around you to succeed. I knew a young woman who's parents were into heavy drugs, they abandoned her and she was raised with a family member who's household was not very stable also. BUT..The young lady finished high school with A's and received a full scholarship to school and is now a teacher working on her doctorate. Myles Munroe's own background is much the same you should know that how poor he was raised and is now influencing nations. This is not to be taken lightly. You should GET what you CAN out of this ministry and rise up to be the best that you can be. The message is not bad just the people so therefore you keep your eyes focused on the goal and that is your purpose and calling. Don't be discouraged by the bad apples. Appreciate your present circumstance because I would love to be a part of Myles Munroe Ministry. We have NO church's remotely teaching about the Kingdom here in the states. Your blessed...walk in it and see your blessing. SEE the GOOD!! God bless
Roofbreaker 10 years, 7 months ago on THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
I so agree and just to note that just like Myles always says when purpose is not known abuse is inevitable. This blog writer obviously has no clue about her own purpose, so she must feel significant bashing others who do know.
brich30039 11 years, 8 months ago on THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
THE WATCHWOMAN: Myles Munroe's dangerous doctrine for women
I totally agree. I see you mentioned abusive and abusive relationships, but left out the fact that he clearly spoke out against abuse in the same video. Not trying to over-assume here, but I think your view in your article represents one of a considerable portion of women in today's society. Munroe's and the bible's views on men and their roles does not by comparison make women second or subservient to them. The example of presenting the woman to yourself can in this context be equivalent to loving others as you love yourself. The emphasis is not supposed to be on the "to yourself", but on how you treat and love her. If her weight is an issue, either be willing to get up with her and work at it instead of complaining, starting to have wandering eyes, or just shut up and accept it.
I struggle with my girlfriend now in trying to get her to understand the concept of allowing the man to be the head of the household, but also being one with him at the same time. There is no hierarchy, there's just oneness. When a male makes any decision, not that he has to or should have to make all of them, if he truly loves and is one with his woman his decision will be the one that his wife would have made or agreed with.